Discovery Dish RTLSDR-Blog L-Band ACARS

Quick ‘mini review’ of the Discovery Dish with L-Band ACARS feed.

You can see the Crowdsupply campaign here.

Myself and a few others backed it from day zero (or close to it).
Took a few more months than expected for it to ship, but turns out, it was worth the wait.

Make sure you get the right feed for your end goal.
There are two L-Bandish mounts, so take your time and think about what you want to cover.

The dish and the feed come really well boxed.

On first unboxing its very impressive.
Just a really well packed unit.
Nice multi language instruction book with loads of diagrams and pictures walking you through the assembly and tuning of the dish.
Also the feed has some swag in the form of three pretty sweet stickers.

The dish is equally well packed with protection foam and booklet.
No issues getting it all out and laying out all the bits really to bolt together.

If you want more information or to get an idea of what’s in the booklet, check out their wiki.

Here is what it will look like from the ‘sats eye view’.

Pretty nice looking setup. Not insignificant wind loading that’s for sure.

Of course I opened the feed.
This was the main reason why I backed it. They did not come out with an ACARS feed at first, but added it later and it was not LHCP and when questioned they said ‘it has so much gain, linear is fine’. So I backed it to find out for myself.
They were right.

Linear feed for the win!

How much gain?

So much so that I pulled the feed out, held it backwards and the feed alone has about as much gain / signal as their patch antenna.
They clearly have done a great job with the LNA and SAW setup in the head.

Stupid amounts of gain.
I moved the feed in and out and twisted it around it made pretty much zero difference. There is no real sweet spot, just tons of signal.

I plan to do a 3 way test soon.
Dish, RTLSDR patch and 7 turn helix.
Each have their place.
Patch is low profile and easy to mount, lowest gain.
Helix is a great performer for its size.
Dish is the signal splitter king. If you are running 2 or 3 or 4 port splitters for ACARS, STDC and voice, and you have the mount for the wind loading of the dish, then this is your ticket. It can easily take the splitter hit and still give you plenty of signal to decode.

UPDATE:
Here is the L-Band test setup.

A fun, ‘typical use’ setup for getting a feel for the SNR (signal to noise ratio) of a few different L-Band Inmarsat ACARS antennas.
98w. 4-F3 from Southern California.
Using the 10500 ACARS signal since its a contestant.

First up. On the left…
Its a small GPS type puck with the filter removed to allow 1545MHz reception.
Inside is a small patch antenna with amplifier.
Sold by SDR-Kits.
I always tells folks to put it on a paint tin lid or something like that to help with a ground plane. Tested here without as is the usual way.$15US
As you will see at the bottom of this post, its really not worth the money at all.

Next up.
The RTL-SDR-Blog patch antenna is very popular.
Good price, low profile and acceptable performance. I wish they did not push it for Iridium, but that’s a rant for another time.
Good size patch, good LNA with hidden USB power.
Some folks have even managed to park this patch in between say 25e and 54e and picked up STDC from both satellites.
10500 decodes are solid, voice possible. $60USD

Next up…
7 turn helix.
A quick fun build if you have access to a 3D printer.
Better performance than the patch, slightly harder to mount outside.
2020 I built and sold around 30-40 of these to jump start satcom ACARS. Everyone has loved them.
Solid 10500 and voice decodes, often from inside a building. About 10 bucks in parts, I was building and selling them shipped USA for $60USD.
STL file, build details and parts list are here: How to build an L-Band ground station. | thebaldgeek

Lastly, the big guy on the right.
DiscoveryDish. $190USD as shown.
Tons of gain. I have been calling it the ‘splitter king’. If you want to put some RF splitters in to get ACARS, STDC, Voice ect on different SDRs, and you can keep it in the wind, this is the antenna to do it.

Ok, now the 4 antennas waterfall…

TL;DR puck < patch < helix < dish
It all depends on your end goal, space, wind speed and money.
Best bang for the buck / size is the helix.
Best low profile is the patch.
RF splitter king is the dish.

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Not an ADSB SAW filter, but wondering what @Lothar_ot_Hill_Peeps makes of this SAW setup?

This is what’s under the can on the Discovery Dish L-Band ACARS feed.
They were open about the typical design, LNA → SAW → LNA → SAW.
But how do those SAW filters stack up?
I mean, it works great, so does it matter? Yes, yes it does.

I’m on the fence about them using an SMA to BNC adaptor here.

For easy of assembly, I see why they did it… But… RF wise?

Hi TBG. them SAW filters are probably in the TaiSaw TA2247CA3114 family. Typical 3.1 insertion loss. Very wide band. I base this on the first line on the package code. The second line is just a data code for 2023, 10th week and is consistent with TaiSaw practice.

0,1 dB max loss on the adapter. NBD. It could be convenient for hobbyists with one dish to swap in different feeds for fooling around in different bands.

Hi,
I have got the RTL SDR antenna v2 and used to receive quite good signals from 4A F4 until about two years ago. Now the signals are comparatively weak, the 600bps and 1200bps signals are reasonable but the 10500bps are small humps, quite flat, just two of them. The 8400bps signals are barely visible if not at all.
I purchased a ten turn helical from nolle engineering after seeing a really good review on youtube. I tried the antenna and it wasn’t any better than the patch antenna I have.
It is a very well made antenna as is the patch antenna so, I think it maybe just my location.
So is it worth me getting the discovery dish maybe that would work better, or will it, what do you think?

Unless you are on the north pole (or south pole), pretty much anywhere in its coverage area should be fine… .The exception is if you are in North UK or Scotland / Ireland and so need to point the antenna quite low (Almost horizontal) and you are thus pointing into a tree or building.

Other than those two situations, I think we should be looking at other issues.
I have more than a few UK / Euro folks using my 7 turn helix and are very happy getting 10500 ACARS and voice call decodes.
10 turn should work quite well and might be on the edge of needing tracking, but as long as it peaked up on the sat at the time of use, you should have a pretty good signal.

For the 10 turn helix, I would be wondering about the LNA and if its working correctly.
Then the next question’s is, did you use the same coax for the patch as the helix?
If so, sounds like thats your problem.

Thank you for your reply.
My location is in the UK in North Hertfordshire about 40 miles north of London.
Elevation of 4F A4 is 28.1 degrees at my location.
It is above the roof tops of near by houses I think, there is a tree in the way, it’s not a particular big tree, tall enough to possibly block the signal although the branches would be comparatively thin at the top.

5f 2 which I think is at 54 West with an elevation of 12.5 so quite low, signals are similar from that.
I was hoping that with the 10 turn helical I could use it indoors possibly but it is not that good outside.
I don’t think I used the patch antenna cable with the 10 turn helical, I think I have tried it with a 2m RG316 cable with no real improvement.

Can you recommend a thin cable for this type of thing?

The preamps I use are the, SAWbird iO Barebones, 5.5V, 1542MHz, 4 Channels, 100722 - Premium L-Band (Inmarsat AERO/STD-C) Ultra-Low Noise Amplifier (LNA) & SAW Filter Module.

SAWbird+ iO - Premium SAW & Cascaded Ultra-Low Noise LNA Module for Inmarsat Applications. 1542MHz Center Frequency.

I have got the 21 turn helical and the low noise preamp from Time Step that was originally for inmarsat A, that was I think discontinued in 2007.

The thing I don’t understand is the patch antenna and the 21 turn helical used to be quite good at receiving the inmarsat signals, it seems if the power output of the satellites have been reduced.

Also on 4F 4A there used to be 3 X 10500 channels now there are only 2 I don’t know why that is.

Thank you again.

Andrew.